Trudeau under pressure over rail blockades | Power & Politics Trudeau under pressure over rail blockades | Power & PoliticsI believe it’s time for the lot to be enforced. Law enforcement should enforce the lot. We have court orders, we have court injunctions, they need to be respected. These protestors, these activists may have the luxury of spending days at at I’m in a blockade need to check their privilege. I think those are not helpful comments and in this context this is a complex situation and I think that that does not indicate an understanding of the situation, hello and welcome to Power & Politics on David Cochran.
He is away tonight as a nationwide. Real shut down stretches into witsec, CN rails and Tire Eastern Canada network is still offline with means, via rail’s. Passenger train remain cancelled from Coast to Coast, with the exception of two lines. Some of the protests, blockades that cause the stoppage have been dismantled voluntarily remain in place of the blockades, are show support for with suet in hereditary Chiefs and BC were fighting the construction of a pipeline under traditional territory, the largest of those Block near Belleville.
In a week, and it’s where are cvc’s Olivia stefanovic is right now Olivia. So, what’s going on, where you are or meeting with our traditional leadership to discuss tomorrow’s high level meeting with indigenous Services Minister Mark Miller, who’s offered to come to the community to discuss the current situation, there aren’t many details coming out of this meeting. We’Ve been trying to speak to some people, but they’ve been reluctant to speak so far. But we do know that they are infighting the minister to come to this community center tomorrow for discussions and to visit the main Camp, which is forced down rail service and most parts of this country.
Now the Mohawk say they don’t plan to leave anytime soon, but the hope is that the minister webull to change their minds somehow tomorrow. Also today, David, we heard from the Ontario Superior Court. They granted CN an extended injunction to have police move into and these demonstrations, but so far police have decided not to do that. I know they are monitoring the situation and there’s a very good reason for theirs. They’Re, taking very careful approach to all this trying to deescalate the situation, and this is also the approach that government has taken so far, they’re focusing on dialogue David in the hope that all of this will end peacefully are prepared to end the demonstration after their meeting With the minister, no, they have not given any sign that they are prepared to end their demonstrations.
In fact, just over the last 24 hours they have been have been more supplies coming into the two camps that are set up along the CN tracks here in Thai and an egg turn the office from the office station earlier today. They are quite critical of how the federal government is handling this conservative leader Andrew Scheer, says he wants the prime minister to come back from overseas to address the situation and he wants the RCMP, but so far Trudeau has rejected that and again they are taking the Sat careful approach: there is a troubled history in Canada’s of violence erupting with these protests.
When police move in, for example, and ipperwash Ontario, there was a crisis. In 1995, an indigenous protester was shot and killed. So nobody wants a reputation of that and the hope is that Mark Miller, he has an opportunity tomorrow to sit down with a mohawk, has a close relationship with these communities and even speaks Mohawk himself. Hope is that he can make some progress, but it’s unclear what will happen because the Mohawks are so Doug into their position, David Ontario. So what is the federal government’s plan of action next few days and how long could these talks and the real shutdown drag-out Chris Biddle is a parliamentary secretary to the minister of Transportation? He joins me now from st.
Catharines Vista Middle. The Prime Minister says about this. Is a country that recognizes the right to protest, the country of the rule of law, and you want to approach this through dialogue and constructive outcomes? How should we interpret all of that in terms of how your Governor’s going to resolve the situation? Some communication from the leader of the opposition, in terms of suggesting at the Prime Minister, can pick up the phone and order the RCMP or the premier of Ontario could order the opp to to break down the barricades that that’s not something.
We can do lyrics country that buys by the rule of law and in terms of we will do what we can in the meantime and that’s keeping the lines of dialogue open communicating with the protestors that are engaged in protest, calling app them to abide by the Law of the land, but in the meantime, we’re going to do what we can and I know a Minister’s Miller – Bennetts are working very hard and ministers are not working very hard to ensure a peaceful resolution to this here we are, the trains are still shut down.
You know how does a trans cancel thousands of people inconvenience it? It’S only been in the last little while that ministers, Miller and Ben, and got directly involved at least an offering to meet with people to hopefully resolve the standoff. So why did it take so long for the Fed government to take direct action in dealing with the protestors have remained open that it’s now the right time for them to step in and engage in negotiate only been open with there, a provincial counterparts and BC and Ontario and the dialogue continues and has committed to continued since this started.
Dealing with your provincial counterparts and local authorities is not necessarily dealing with the wet, so it’s in or their support. They didn’t seem to take the approach of allowing provincial local authorities to deal with this first before coming into it late I mean: did you make a mistake by by waiting this long to get directly involved, at least in that way with the provinces and don’t want To overstep our Authority, the federal government stepping in to early can be a concern as well, and so we aren’t, we were in constant communication when it required the federal government to step in.
I know the ministers were they’re ready to move forward and assist wherever pause. We’Re standing ready to do them will keep doing here where he called some of these protesters. Radical activist called for the non-indigenous 1 to check their privilege. Ask for the prime minister to direct Bill Blair to direct the RCMP to go in and settle this. Our comments like that help on this situation absolutely not, and it’s the same with the premier of Ontario and the prime minister of Canada, we’re blessed to live in a country where we have the rule of law and were elected officials.
Don’T direct the police and these types of comments only lead to an ad that are flammatory. They don’t help the situation. I’M and I know I’ve heard from constituents that want to see a resolution to this. But if we look back and recent history to ever wash Anoka, we can see that a an action in that regard may have unintended consequences to exacerbate the protests and lengthen what what could be resolved peacefully. Do you think that could happen in this situation? Are there any signs of it could escalate to that point if the police do feel they have to move in? I can’t comment on the ground, but the best best view of things and that’s why they’re the ones responsible for enforcing court orders and forcing the law of the land and they have the best interest of Canadians.
They will ensure that the safety of Canadians is top priority and they will take action as required that wasn’t the only one calling for the police to go in and do this before this from a lot of ordinary Canadians are grown frustrated with the impact this had On their daily lives on the economy, I mean, what do you say to people who want to see people faction or some sort of more aggressive action to end this and get the trains moving again, not being delivered in Farmer being not inconvenience? And I know people want to see a speedy resolution to this.
But again, if we look at past past actions by police and Oka Amanda Dipper wash it only made the situation worse. And so I trust you MPI Trussville Copp to do the right thing. On the ground. But it’s up to the federal government to work with work with the protesters and ensure and do our best while the police aren’t intervening to see if we can have a peaceful resolution, cuz, ultimately quickest way to resolve this crisis. This is about a standoff in the wet sweats and territory, but you know you guys bought a pipeline with Trans Mountain and you’re building it you’re going to push it through some borders, and I suspect we can expect level of resistance to that, as well as the First protest on the rail line in Ontario, but that being said, we’re focused on this crisis.
We’Re focused on trying to find a resolution to these issues, addressing a meeting with the protesters as soon as possible and trying to resolve it. As best we can. The police, holding off until Minister Miller, administer Bennett, meet with the various groups involved in this informing me of their their decisions and that’s not something that they should do. But again, I’m hopeful that Minister Miller, Minister Bennett will have success in resolving the standoff they don’t. I mean: how long is the federal government prepared to let this go on, I mean I mean the offer them.
British Columbia has taken down the barricade near North Hazelton, but we still have the standoff in Ontario I mean this has gone on for over a week. How much longer are you prepared to let this go on? We cannot legislate it to make it more illegal. It was up to the police to enforce the law and we leave it in their capable hands and it will be up to the RCMP and the Ontario Provincial Police to make those determinations. It is not up to elected officials. Comments like Andrew shears are purely inflammatory.
Do not help the situation and mislead Canadians to think that the federal government or Parliament can resolve this situation. When laws already been passed on the subject, we had an impact on the domestic economy, but Sienna said that this is having an impact Beyond Canada’s borders. With trading partner, saying rinella no longer Reliable Parts, Supply chains do share those concerns on the international Ripple effects of these disruptions. I can speak to the frustrations of my constituents were worried about the flow of goods, the worried about jobs and potential layoffs.
There is a GM Factory in my riding and I know we have concerns about that across Ontario and across Canada and that’s why we’re going to work hard as we can, within the bounds of the law, to ensure that there’s a speedy resolution to this crisis. So much for your time will the trains are moving, but protests across the country have not lost being. As we entered a two of a nationwide rail shut from Victoria to Fredericton to Corner Brook Newfoundland groups organized demonstrations in support of indigenous land right there, cross-country movement began last week, injunction on BC’s, what’s Overton hereditary Chiefs, they’re fighting the construction of a pipeline on their Traditional territory that the federal government has said no relationship is more important than the relationship with indigenous people’s butt.
Do recent events suggest that relationship is broken? Ryan Moran is the director of the national Center For Truth and Reconciliation. He joins us from Winnipeg right. Welcome to the show me on seen the signs at a protest in Victoria saying reconciliation is dead. What does this week say to you about the state of reconciliation in this country? We have to recognize that we are attempting to reconcile an extraordinary Li, difficult history in this country, had Canada recently celebrated its hundred and 50th and a birthday, but in that is the creation of a singular nation-state on top of long-standing indigenous nations, from coast to coast.
To coast, this has been a substantive challenge for people’s. It has resulted in Canada both affecting things like a residential schools in other efforts of cultural genocide and the reconciliation that’s actually occurring is trying to reconcile this imposed State on top of long standing, Sentry Millennial old Nations. What do you think of the federal and provincial governments have handled this? So far? It’S been more of a diplomatic means, the right approach. When we look at what the Truth and Reconciliation Commission called for is it says we have to establish and maintain mutually respectful relationships, and I think it’s really really important for us to pause on that language one.
It says we have to establish okay. It says that, up to this point, Canada has not enjoyed a respectful relationships with indigenous Nations, indigenous peoples, indigenous histories and cultures and identities, and Land tour in that process, reaching out trying to build those bridges trying to create that respectful dialogue and one that is based On fundamental human rights and Indigenous rights principles is positive, but we still got a long ways to go before we’re fully. You know into that type of relationship that we need succeed of the country.
Patients here is not taking any police intervention here, but conservative leader Andrew Scheer said today that if he was prime minister, he would direct is Public Safety minister to crcmp to get in there an end this and said that protesters need to, in his words, check their Privilege what does that do in a situation like this now we have multiple examples that have already been referenced by previous speakers on program here today, police actions went terribly wrong and people losing their lives as a result of those action.
I do not want to see that I don’t think our country wants to see that I don’t think anybody should be rushing into increasing the conflict here or further weaponizing. This conflict at this is very, very sensitive issue. People feel very passionate about it, and rightly so, because we have to take a step back. We have to take a step back here and recognize that there’s two fundamental questions that are posing. You know that they’re being posted, this country and humankind a how we going to live together peacefully in a way where everybody wins, what reconciliations about and then how are we going to live together with the land and in a time of serious serious crisis where we Know that the climate is a profoundly at risk and people taking this very seriously so everything’s already Amplified.
You got some very difficult issues in the present and in the future, and we should not be trying to rush into you. No armed conflict of any sort, all because of the standoff people are growing frustrated on one side, there’s the economic impact and then you also have protesters saying things like reconciliation is dead. So how critical is this week in this path? Reconciliation at the federal government is trying to and walk. You know this week, in my opinion, is yet for the reminder that we cannot effectuate reconciliation fast enough in this country.
We’Ve had 94 calls to action that were issued by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission already. You know we really have to ask yourself how many of those have been implemented and what are the barriers? What are the delays in the UN Declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples has been around for a long time, yet Canada only adopted it fully at a few short years ago. We’Ve missed so many opportunities to have prevented this current day crisis, and I think this week, if nothing else, should be a very powerful reminder to everybody to take the long-standing calls for the establishment of these respectful relationships to be brought fully into all aspects of society.
That applies to businesses that applies of public officials. That applies to rebuilding governance structures. We have to do the hard work now, because otherwise these types of conflicts are going to continue and it’s going to continue to impair Canada. Reaching is full of potential. This particular conflict and the real shutdown n & n Coastal Gas link and you have division there right I mean you have the 13 hereditary Chiefs, who opposed this pipeline, the five elected band Council to support it and 15 other elected Bank council’s from other First Nations, Who supported Venetian in this relationship of the federal government when the indigenous nation is divided materialized, so just like a whole bunch of things.
This crisis has been manufactured by intentional long-standing government policy that sought intentionally to deconstruct and eliminate traditional indigenous government systems from this land. Now, what is a process of internal reconciliation within the community, where it itself has to figure out how it is going to rebuild and heal from what has been defined as in a long-standing cultural genocide? In this, the government has a proactive responsibility to support the healing of this community, and the problem is that we got.
This is like terrible crisis where a lot of this reconciliation that needs to happen inside of the community is being done under dress, with a big National push to try things done, we’ve got to make sure the communities are fully supported in healing and recovering from this Onslaught of destruction that has been present in Canadian Society since the beginning of time. So much. Thank you very much man of the national Center For Truth and Reconciliation. We are a country that recognizes the right to protest, but we are country of the rule of law and we will ensure that everything is done to resolve this dialogue in constructive outcomes.
For the lot to be enforced, law enforcement should enforce the law. We have court orders, we have court injunctions, they need to be respected. These protestors, these activists, they have the luxury of spending days at a time at a blockade, but they need to check their privilege Nationwide rail shut down stretches into its second day. Sandrails Eastern Canada network is still offline, salsa music, via rails passenger trains remain cancelled, largely from Coast to Coast, with the exception of just two lines.
Now the real block, a site for cystoscopy Zara, show support for the witsoe Wheaton hereditary Chiefs in British Columbia were fighting the construction of a pipeline on their tradition territory. Provincial and federal meetings with indigenous groups are under way or in planning stages to try to resolve that situation. In fact, we’ve just learned that indigenous Services Minister Mark Miller, will meet with mohawk representatives in tyendinaga tomorrow at 10 a. m. eastern time, but some politicians enforcing the law is an immediate step that could be taken earlier.
This afternoon I spoke with the premier of Saskatchewan Scott Moe. He was in Regina, I want to see over the economy and I will get a sense of how these Blockheads are affecting Saskatchewan industries that rely on rail to ship goods. What’S the status in your problems right now, I will insist and we’re very reliant on number differ. Asportation mechanisms to get our products Old Road. Of course pipeline is very important to our problems, but I also rail we ship out: 10 % of our Energy Products are shipped on rail.
All of our products. Products are Agri food products, as well as some Timber Products and Anna another other smaller items as well. So this is a very problematic when we have the slowdowns and shutdowns in some areas of the nation that we have agri-food trains that are stocked with Saskatchewan green on them, Saskatchewan energy on them – and this has a already has – I have an impact on our economy And Saskatchewan and will continue to have even if they start running shortly, I will continue to have a negative impact in our economy.
Four days in likely weeks to come, dollar hit might be on a daily basis, it’ll be in the in the tens of millions likely to hundreds of millions of dollars at the very least, maybe even larger than that. You know from what I understand. We are getting very, very tight with respect to our capacity. Continue to approve potash, for instance, is our our storage areas are full here in the province and there’s no trains coming to move buy that product out art are bins, are full, are elevators? Are terminals across the province are full with no trains are moving that I told him we have a will in very short order, have boats, waiting and harbors from coast to coast died in this nation to hit.
The impact is going to be quite severe as we go through this this process and it’s going to build an impact that we’ve already had in in some challenges and getting our rail capacity up earlier this year with us, he had the potential of a CN rail Strike as well as is compiled on at pylon, if you will to some of the cost that we had in this Harvest, are drying all of our cropping. You know paying such unnecessary and taxes on the gas and we were using such as a federal carbon tax. I’Ve been in touch with provincial and territorial counterparts.
Have you or your government had any conversations with the federal government about how to resolve this blockade situation? Our minister of Highways and infrastructure has written to the minister of Transportation. urbini, director return or reply or phone calls that have occurred. Although I’ve had a short conversation with the Deputy Prime Minister on this in and what the the potential impacts that could be, and we we agree that this does need to be a hold of her, which other guys need to be reaching out to these.
What’S awaiting a hereditary leaders, I have to have a discussion with them, but the whole of the approach also involved the enforcement of the law. This is hamstring, angarak, Saskatchewan and Canadian economy and has the potential to pay listen to what would be a crisis as far as receiving Goods into our communities and I’m continuing to export goods. To add to our markets around the world defer to local authorities and provincial authorities to resolve this and then getting into it midweek with the offer of meetings with Carolyn Bennett and with Mark Millar to try to resolve it almost through a diplomatic or or political Solutions.
How do you think the federal government has handled so far? They? They need to be very, very urgent. , We’re from this point on I not only with their meeting but with ensuring and and directing the law to be enforced. As I always say, the enforcement of the law is not a choice. How I that law is enforced is up to the the the the law enforcement agencies in that respect of jurisdiction. But this is the federal jurisdiction, pipelines and Rail lines are within the federal jurisdiction and and, for example, Saskatchewan having a great negative impact with respect to these block a job.
But we do not have a blockade in the province of Saskatchewan. I saw this lies squarely on the on in the federal jurisdiction. Are they need to direct the enforcement of the law and the need to reach out, as, as you said, with the whole naproxen meet with these hereditary leaders in and try to get to a better place with respect to them, but the legal blockades? And they are illegal, I cannot continue and the law needs to be enforced with respect to those just one more hello. . Ok, up to this point this time to change their tack or have they been too slow.
Getting to this level of involvement indicate that the comments around and it’s being in the provincial jurisdiction of the local jurisdiction, we’re not helpful, and they it would have been a wise to buy pasta. Those comments and and take the responsibility as it rightfully lies within the federal government. I use the example again of of a Saskatchewan – is impacted negatively I’ll, buy these blockades. What yet we have no blockade. I promise this is why Railways pipeline major transfer tape, transfer Transportation infrastructure is in the jurisdiction of the federal government in the enforcement of ensuring that that that infrastructure is in place in Opera, so that we can continue to create wealth and access supplies for our communities.
Lies squarely within the federal jurisdiction they need to engage. Yes, they also need to ensure that that infrastructure is operable and if that entails up and forcing the law enforced, injunctions that have been put out by the courts and then that’s what needs to happen here came out today and said. The Prime Minister should return to Canada from his trip. He should direct Public Safety Minister build where to direct the RCMP to resolve the situation. Do you? I think that is the right approach when under sheer suggesting yes, yes, the Prime Minister should return.
You should direct his Public Safety minutes, minister to direct the law enforcement agencies to enforce the law. Listening in this democracy, as I always say, legislators are parliamentarians that make the laws it’s the courts that interpret those laws on both of those have happened. In this case, the law is there: the courts have have deemed an injunction and Dean that these blockades are illegal and there’s only one step left and for the law enforcement agencies are to enforce the law. Now how how they enforce that law as far as their their initiatives eyes at the discretion of the RCMP or the or the law enforcement agency responsible, but the fact of whether or not they enforce the law that is not at their destruction, discretion I’d.
That is a function of a of a functioning just the democracy and a function of being able to govern our nation. How things have escalated in these situations, when police have gone in, perhaps too early an escalated? The situation in the prime minister is pushed back on the idea of a politician directing the police force on how to act. I mean how do you respond to it so those concerns raised by federal ministers in the prime minister what a day that politician should not direct the police force on how to act.
A politician should direct the police force to enforce the law. That is why we have police forces of all of all different kinds, whether they be municipal or the or the CMP is to do just that. A democracy they say is founded on. The fact that the laws are made by parliamentarian are interpreted by the courts are enforced by our law enforcement officials. That needs to happen today that some of the protest at The Rail lines should check their privilege and let the trains come through. What do you make of that kind of statement? Is that helpful in the situation well on many of those trains is: let’s use the example of scotch agri-food product, the most sustainable, a food product that that the world can access a grown right here in the province of Saskatchewan.
That product should go through, as I’m sure it’s important to how many of these individuals that are that are attempting and successfully blockade illegally. Archer are trains that we are able to to deliver some of the most sustainable agri-food product to the World. By the comments, not the cargo, a conservative leader are those helpful in this situation, like, I think, that’s where part of this goes with respect to check your privilege, we’re exporting some of the most sustainable products in the world is displacing much dirty or product.
We should allow those products to go through. This is why we advocate for pipeline, so that we can put some of the most sustainable Canadian energy in those Pipeline and and send it to other people in North American people around the world. We have now 10 % of our energy is on the rails. We have some of that energy bendy real, just east of our City of Saskatoon here for the second time now in in 2 months and that’s product that shouldn’t be in that shouldn’t be in those real cars that should be in a pipeline.
So with respect to how we are moving our products across this nation and for export Market, some of the most sustainable products in the world, there should be some research done with respect by these individuals with respect to the the sustainable products that we provide to the World and how that is actually improving on on our environmental footprint footprint Global Citizens. We shouldn’t be stopping at some of these products from getting to their markets around the world. That’S precisely what we’re doing in this nation is hurting us economically.
It’S hurting us globally from an environmental perspective and it shouldn’t be happening. Okay, I imagine capello’s host of power in politics, see more of our show by subscribing to the CBC news channels or click. The link for another video capello’s host of Power & politics, see more of our show by subscribing to the CBC news channels or click.Prime Minister Trudeau rejected a call from Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer to direct the RCMP to intervene and arrest the Mohawk protesters behind an illegal blockade near Belleville, Ont.
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